Nasty work people....

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jessyg123

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...... its been a while since i've moaned so here goes!!

It would of been my dad's birthday tomo (he died a couple of years ago) I usually like to go and put some flowers on his grave - previous works have let me go a little bit early so I don't have to go in the dark - these mean people won't let me - not even if I work through my dinner! Its just downright mean! :evil::x

Got an interview on Monday so fingers crossed please :)
 
How did you ask them?
I usually find the softly softly approach of asking a senior to step into the board room for a quick chat works with these things.

That is very horrid of them...b*stards. I hope you feel ok tomorrow and here's wishing you lots of luck in your interview! x
 
Everything is done by email here - crap I know - apparently if I leave a little earlier there will be nobody to answer the phone. What really frustrates me is that its one rule for one here and one rule for another - sooner I get out the better!
 
jessyg123 said:
Everything is done by email here - crap I know - apparently if I leave a little earlier there will be nobody to answer the phone. What really frustrates me is that its one rule for one here and one rule for another - sooner I get out the better!
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And there isnt a single colleague that will offer to help out??
Thats truely awful!! :evil:
 
Buckley the person says:

Even I would let you go for that reason Jessie. Speak to the most senior person available and if they still say no, explain that you can't accept that and you are going anyway. Hopefully you have not asked at the last minute and given them every chance to cover the phones?

Buckley the employer says:

As above. In such circumstances I always assume I am being told the truth even though I have been stung before. I had one bloke tell me that his wife had cancer and that he was taking her to chemotherapy, only to find out that he actually used the time to try out another job. I've had people go to last minute funeral of their 6th or 7th funeral of a grandparent! But in the end, despite the cost to me I won't risk making someone's life worse if there's a chance they are truly under intense personal stress.

Employees should note that fake sickies (eg. for hangover ot job interviews), the creative use of the term 'stress' and poor productivity in general make it harder and harder for employees to show compassion when it is REALLY needed.
 
Aww Jessy, I don't know how/why employers get off on treating employees like that, don't they realise that employees will have more respect for them/work harder/etc if they treat them fairly and like a human being :roll:
 
Thanks everyone :)

I'm here this morning - shouldn't really be, am just going to have to get on with the day as best as I can.

Looks like its a visit to the Gyard in the dark for me tonight.
 
Barbie said:
Aww Jessy, I don't know how/why employers get off on treating employees like that, don't they realise that employees will have more respect for them/work harder/etc if they treat them fairly and like a human being :roll:
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Chicken and egg though Babs, isn't it? Employees should realise that employers will treat them like human beings and trust them if they are genuinely trustworthy.

If you sometimes lie to your employer about why you want time off, you must understand why they sometimes mistrust you when you are tellling the truth? Some people will say, but who would lie about something that? But people do - I know from personal experience. (Although I should make it quite clear that Jessie it is clearly telling the truth - but how do her employers know that?)
 
Buckley said:
Chicken and egg though Babs, isn't it? Employees should realise that employers will treat them like human beings and trust them if they are genuinely trustworthy.

If you sometimes lie to your employer about why you want time off, you must understand why they sometimes mistrust you when you are tellling the truth? Some people will say, but who would lie about something that? But people do - I know from personal experience. (Although I should make it quite clear that Jessie it is clearly telling the truth - but how do her employers know that?)
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here here.

btw, gonna be getting another payrise *smug*
 
People obv lie about stuff like docs and dentists - we've all done it!

But to lie about people being ill/dying etc is a dreadful thing to do.

I treat this company with respect I only had one sick day last year and am always here on time - I even didn't get to take all of my annual leave last year that was entitled to me as somebody else was off.
 
Buckley said:
Chicken and egg though Babs, isn't it? Employees should realise that employers will treat them like human beings and trust them if they are genuinely trustworthy.

If you sometimes lie to your employer about why you want time off, you must understand why they sometimes mistrust you when you are tellling the truth? Some people will say, but who would lie about something that? But people do - I know from personal experience. (Although I should make it quite clear that Jessie it is clearly telling the truth - but how do her employers know that?)
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But Jessy hasn't lied about taking time off has she or have I missed something :?

To me this just looks like an employer with a chip on his shoulder trying to assert the only bit of 'power' he has :roll:
 
jessyg123 said:
But to lie about people being ill/dying etc is a dreadful thing to do.
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Indeed, makes me feel physically sick when I catch people out doing that.

jessyg123 said:
I treat this company with respect I only had one sick day last year and am always here on time - I even didn't get to take all of my annual leave last year that was entitled to me as somebody else was off.
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I hope you insisted on pay in lieu then? Or have they let you carry it over?
 
Barbie said:
But Jessy hasn't lied about taking time off has she or have I missed something :?

To me this just looks like an employer with a chip on his shoulder trying to assert the only bit of 'power' he has :roll:
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Yup, you've missed my point. Which is that if people didn't fake sickies and personal problems, employers could take real instances of the same at face value.

It's easy for everyone to say an employer is out of order when the subject is emotive like this, but it cuts both ways. People expect employers to treat them well and if they do, take advantage.

(Btw, I remember a post Jessie claimed she had planned a sick day, when she wasn't sick, but couldn't take it because someone was going to a funeral. My original point wasn't related to that though it was more general)
 
Buckley said:
Yup, you've missed my point. Which is that if people didn't fake sickies and personal problems, employers could take real instances of the same at face value.

It's easy for everyone to say an employer is out of order when the subject is emotive like this, but it cuts both ways. People expect employers to treat them well and if they do, take advantage.

(Btw, I remember a post Jessie claimed she had planned a sick day, when she wasn't sick, but couldn't take it because someone was going to a funeral. My original point wasn't related to that though it was more general)
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Yep am guilty of planning a sick day - i'll admit that.

No apparently i'll just lose the holiday - only get 20 days as it is here - previously i'd been getting 25.
 
Where I live we have one of the worst sickie cultures in Britian. When I used to work in Sainsbury's, our sickness rate was one of the highest in the country per employee. Apparently, this was in line with most other national companies with units in my town. I never do it, hand on heart, and it irritates me when people do, as you end up carrying them, or like in jessy's case, being treated unjustly as most employers take a cynical view of personal circumstances and tar all employees with the same brush to impose an element of "consistency" when in fact they are doing exactly the opposite of that.

Hope all is well Jessy. Shame you had to put up with that on what is obviously a very sad and emotional time of year for you.
 
jessyg123 said:
Yep am guilty of planning a sick day - i'll admit that.

No apparently i'll just lose the holiday - only get 20 days as it is here - previously i'd been getting 25.
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You shouldn't stand for that. If you applied to take your annual leave and they refused it, in general you must be allowed to carry it over or be paid. Would be different if you just didn't use it. Again, speak to the most senior person available, explain the detail of it and that you don't think it is reasonable. If you get no joy, suggest you are going to take advice. Did you put a holiday form in or e-mail someone, so there is proof that you tried to take it but were not allowed?

(ps. RIP your Dad, none of the above should detract)
 
Buckley said:
You shouldn't stand for that. If you applied to take your annual leave and they refused it, in general you must be allowed to carry it over or be paid. Would be different if you just didn't use it. Again, speak to the most senior person available, explain the detail of it and that you don't think it is reasonable. If you get no joy, suggest you are going to take advice. Did you put a holiday form in or e-mail someone, so there is proof that you tried to take it but were not allowed?

(ps. RIP your Dad, none of the above should detract)
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Thank you.

No I don't think i've got any evidence unfortunately - just got to let it drop.

It just makes me all the more determined to get another job - interviews are lined up luckily so i've just got to try really hard to get out of here - I certainly won't feel bad for leaving now!:evil:
 
fatphilb said:
Where I live we have one of the worst sickie cultures in Britian. When I used to work in Sainsbury's, our sickness rate was one of the highest in the country per employee. Apparently, this was in line with most other national companies with units in my town. I never do it, hand on heart, and it irritates me when people do, as you end up carrying them, or like in jessy's case, being treated unjustly as most employers take a cynical view of personal circumstances and tar all employees with the same brush to impose an element of "consistency" when in fact they are doing exactly the opposite of that.
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I think most people generally do take one or two days off a year as sickies when theyre not entitled to, and in view thats ok.

I mean theres someone where I work who keeps getting ill (colds, flu, viruses.. the lot) so he takes legitimate sickies, but then I never do that because im hardly ill, so why shouldnt I take a couple of days a year off after a large weekend for example. It might be selfish, but its fair in my opinion.
 
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