Euros, what the hell is happening in Paris?
- Thread starter Rickaroo
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It is the immigrants (but not all immigrants) complaining that the government doesn't enoughto provide them with jobs and a minister called them scum. 2 youngsters died because they flew from the police and that is what set it all off.
http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/english/details/051105_riots/index.shtml
http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/nieuws/details/051107parijsagain/index.shtml
from the Belgian news - should give a nice overview in English/Dutch
click video to see the vids
http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/english/details/051105_riots/index.shtml
http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/nieuws/details/051107parijsagain/index.shtml
from the Belgian news - should give a nice overview in English/Dutch
click video to see the vids
Morbyd
Moderator
Yahoo news has been following the story and has video newsclips online, so not really blacked out at all.Rickaroo said:
As US history has taught us, riots can occur anywhere when you have a class of people who feel as though they have been denied economic opportunity. Doesn't excuse it, of course (and in France, it's clearly gotten out of hand), but the root causes need to be addressed.
LagunaBeachCA
New Member
I am a bit confused. The news papers are saying immigrant communities, but then they are saying that the people have been there for 3-4 generations. Why would they be called immigrants when they are 2nd or 3rd generation French citizens?
macdonsj
Moderator
Recent news footage of "immigrants" being forced out of Paris suburban accomodation with nothing in place to house them - they are currently tenting in villages in various park areas of outer Paris. Apparently the Paris council are dragging their feet due to the costs of housing them and the lost opportunities in using that space
Maybe one of the contributing factors ??
Maybe one of the contributing factors ??
Buckley said:Paris400 said:Rickaroo said:Morbyd said:x-amount said:
Ya, Rick... better get yourself up to New York real quick
I'm only 8 1/2 inches...
How did all this end up in a thread about the riots?!
The thread is about riots 'in Paris' Paris - y'see?
I'd just like to announce that Paris400's 9incher post is probably my favourite forum post ever.
Weekend on saturday, hope this trouble dies down a bit by then and doesnt spread to the city centre I live in Paris but originally from Southern California. But that is not why I think LagunaBeachCA's post is perhaps the most enlightening one on this forum. That is precisely the issue summed up in a question from an American. Immigrants is a term you use for first generation, but children born in France, like those born in the US, regardless of your parent's place of birth, are French (or American for the US). Here you keep the stigma of "not being French", even if you speak perfect French, been educated in the best universities in France, but don't have a "French" name like Michel Dupont, but rather Mohammed Ben Al Said then you have little if any chance of getting a top job. Look how few French of North African or African origin sit in the national assembly (their House of Reps or Parliament). Few if none!
And the police are the worst here! They are all powerful, suffer from severe inferiority complexes and abuse power! I feel frankly safer dealing with police in the States (cause I know I have some rights) then in France (where I have none or little or simply they could care less what I have). I am white, wealthy and American (from a French mother immigrant to the US) - so I am not a problem. I am never stopped on the street by the police, never questioned, passport control never even bother to open my passport. Not the case for French nationals who are black or arab.
And finally the French government and society tolerate rioting and violence when it comes from union members or French farmers. They never get thrown in jail or fined. It is only when the underclass starts shaking things up and threatens the established order does the State come down hard.
And the police are the worst here! They are all powerful, suffer from severe inferiority complexes and abuse power! I feel frankly safer dealing with police in the States (cause I know I have some rights) then in France (where I have none or little or simply they could care less what I have). I am white, wealthy and American (from a French mother immigrant to the US) - so I am not a problem. I am never stopped on the street by the police, never questioned, passport control never even bother to open my passport. Not the case for French nationals who are black or arab.
And finally the French government and society tolerate rioting and violence when it comes from union members or French farmers. They never get thrown in jail or fined. It is only when the underclass starts shaking things up and threatens the established order does the State come down hard.
chewie_oo7 said:
i agree, we (us brits) shouldn't have been there in the first place but at least we kinda tried to set up systems of govt, economies, schools, etc.
The spanish approach of blood and plunder killed off the Incas and made for some pretty spectacular buildings in Spain..........erm "i think i'll have a 5 storey building in 24 carat gold on las ramblas por favor"