Door/Bar split for Club Nights

[tristanbaldock]

Call me stupid, but i was wondering how the door/bar split works in clubs in Ibiza?

Am i right in thinking the promoter gets all the entry money and the club owner gets all the bar take? Is it as simple as this?

 

[grego]

different for different places.

clubs always take all the bar, not come across a situation when they don't. maybe a small % to the promoter on big nights

door - normally would go to the promoter with a % to the club but increasingly the clubs are cutting out the middleman/promoters and booking the DJs themselves and then they take all the door.

they don't mind if the night is branded FMIF, defected, etc, etc......they pay the DJ fees (as they would have done anyway) but it's just that the promoter doesn't get the door. this is the business plan that has seen pacha's gross profit margin increase since they adopted this policy.

 

[S2H]

oops....

 

[S2H]

I'd guess that for the nights that are branded (Defected/Hed Kandi/Subliminal) there's more fees than just the DJ fees. These brands are used at an additional cost i'd imagine. 'Nights' like 'Pure Pacha' are obviously different and just pay Tong/Kleinenberg/whoever it is this year a fee....an example of what Grego says about in-house, cutting out the promoter.

Whichever way you look it it, its clear that there's an absolute fortune at stake, evidence of this can be best illustrated by some of the 'fines' that are paid out for late closing etc....makes you wonder how much they must all be making to be able to afford the fines!!!

 

[grego]

I'd guess that for the nights that are branded (Defected/Hed Kandi/Subliminal) there's more fees than just the DJ fees. These brands are used at an additional cost i'd imagine. 'Nights' like 'Pure Pacha' are obviously different and just pay Tong/Kleinenberg/whoever it is this year a fee....an example of what Grego says about in-house, cutting out the promoter.

Whichever way you look it it, its clear that there's an absolute fortune at stake, evidence of this can be best illustrated by some of the 'fines' that are paid out for late closing etc....makes you wonder how much they must all be making to be able to afford the fines!!!

at pacha, i think morillo is the only one who receives a % of the door. all the other nights get f.a.

the problem in ibiza for the clubs is that all the artists they used to depend upon as crowd pullers went off and did their own thing as exclusives - oakey, carl cox, roger sanchez, tong, morillo, etc, etc.

 

[neilly303]

at pacha, i think morillo is the only one who receives a % of the door. all the other nights get f.a.

the problem in ibiza for the clubs is that all the artists they used to depend upon as crowd pullers went off and did their own thing as exclusives - oakey, carl cox, roger sanchez, tong, morillo, etc, etc.

This is to maximize the dj's income. Pete Tong for example was only a resident at Pure Pacha and had no earnings from the door- he was paid by Pacha a flat rate for sets at the club and pre parties at Mambo. It was much more profitible for him to move to Eden and host his own night. Although in his Pacha heyday he was reportedly being paid 25,000 euros a week

 

[agentundercover]

This is to maximize the dj's income. Pete Tong for example was only a resident at Pure Pacha and had no earnings from the door- he was paid by Pacha a flat rate for sets at the club and pre parties at Mambo. It was much more profitible for him to move to Eden and host his own night. Although in his Pacha heyday he was reportedly being paid 25,000 euros a week

mmm...not sure about that. I know that his management company have been heavily organised in Pure Pacha (altho if they have anything to do with Wonderland I know not) - I would be suprised if that was solely for the DJ fees.

Also, i would imagine that Tong was on more than that. 3000 people paying 25 quid is 75 grand on the door (dont know capactity of pacha tho) alone.

So the likes of FMIF - Defected etc - only the DJ fees are paid & no overhead of any form to cover promotion costs is given? Surely there is no motivation to promote the night on say defected website etc? Or is the motivation inflated DJ fees?

Interesting.

 

[grego]

This is to maximize the dj's income. Pete Tong for example was only a resident at Pure Pacha and had no earnings from the door- he was paid by Pacha a flat rate for sets at the club and pre parties at Mambo. It was much more profitible for him to move to Eden and host his own night. Although in his Pacha heyday he was reportedly being paid 25,000 euros a week

altho that was not one of the major reasons why he left pacha.

 

[grego]

mmm...not sure about that. I know that his management company have been heavily organised in Pure Pacha (altho if they have anything to do with Wonderland I know not) - I would be suprised if that was solely for the DJ fees.

Also, i would imagine that Tong was on more than that. 3000 people paying 25 quid is 75 grand on the door (dont know capactity of pacha tho) alone.

So the likes of FMIF - Defected etc - only the DJ fees are paid & no overhead of any form to cover promotion costs is given? Surely there is no motivation to promote the night on say defected website etc? Or is the motivation inflated DJ fees?

Interesting.

if i post the same thing 3 times will you believe me!!

the reasons the club brands would do it is simple - PR, marketing, exposure, press!

they get one of the world's greatest nightclubs, pacha pays the fees, you run a minimal PR function (for example Release Yourself have practically nothing) and then you can release a summer album or three on the back of the season as well as merchandise and whatever else you like.

for the likes of defected, they have a record label business that produces tons of material.

FMIF and release yourself and carl cox, etc, etc are easier to understand as they are basically centred around one artist who doesn't have a mgt/promoter fee to add on.

as for tong, c'mon gareth work it out. IMD take their cut of tongy's earnings whatever. and of course wonderland will be closer to home for them - it is their principal artist's own night!

 

[agentundercover]

I getcha mate. It's a living advert for the brand. For the owners of Pacha it's like having the biggest and best billboard in the world & you can name your price for people to put their posters on it.

Never thought of it like that - always imagined Ibiza to be the be and end all in terms of finance for the promoters - but like you say, the likes of defected are multi pronged businesses....and the winner is pacha!