DJs - too much hype

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Anyone reckon there is a bit too much focus on which DJs are playing when on Ibiza nights?

Personally I think that often the most rated DJs are not particulary better than others ( at least in the context of Ibiza where you only usually play as a DJ if you have built up experience/reputation) but that their reputation is kept alive by the fact that they get peak slots to play, at points when people are maximally stimulated/up for it.
In years gone by the party scene was much less shaped by 'big names', the crowd and event were much more of the focus. Ocassionally now discussions of ibiza DJs become a bit like teenage pop fans arguing about whether 'Take That' or 'Westlife' are 'the best band ever'
 
Depends - if a dj is niche enough (Miss Kittin/DJ Hell/Carl Cox/Derrick Carter) then they'll play something unique and are worth getting excited about.

Otherwise completely agree...I'd rather they put more focus on production values like Nude do and Renaissance used to.
 
I guess its a little bit self fulfilling/cyclical isnt it?

A big name Dj must have done something right to become a Big Name DJ in the first place and establish his/her (very pc) name as playing good parties etc

And then often once they are in that position they both get access to more cutting edge tunes before other people, have more behind them e.g. for production, their own labels etc and so can maintain their position at the top

So guess the hype is fair enough when its a big name DJ who has kept it fresh once making it to the top but not when they are purely living of past reputation (People like Morillo?)...or when they have built their reputation on the basis of middle of the road tracks that appeal to the commercial ear which pulls the crowds in but not necessarily the "right" sort of crowds (dont know why but am thinking of someone like Bob Sinclair for e.g.)
 
thelak said:
when they have built their reputation on the basis of middle of the road tracks that appeal to the commercial ear which pulls the crowds in but not necessarily the "right" sort of crowds (dont know why but am thinking of someone like Bob Sinclair for e.g.)
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Ooh... don't agree there. I've seen Bob play in 3 different countries and with very different crowds and very different sets (from nearly progressive house in Moscow to nearly tribal in Ibiza).

While there are always anomalies, and marketing has a lot to do with it, the superstart DJs generally get there on the basis of some amount of DJing talent - music selection, timing and spacing, and generally doing a good job of managing their audiences' musical experience during their appearances.

That said, of course you're going to find an unknown DJ here or there who'll knock your socks off, or a superstar DJ who's riding a marketing wave (for me, Tiesto comes to mind... but I'm prepared for a rebuttal!)
 
I see Robder you mentioned Miss Kittin, i have it on good authority that she is an out and out arrogant selfish bitch who thinks she is something she is not, everything i hate about DJ's (and people in general)
 
good replies - there is a cyclical element to it. Its a bit like a football match - you could watch a game in a local park - good game with four nice goals - a decent afternoon out. Watch the same match at an international with 80000 people there, it becomes a sensational match.

But i don't mean to say that the 'big names' haven't earned a great reputation. They mostly have. I just think there is occasionally a bit too much emphasis on it when discussing the ibiza scene. But, like everyone, I do look forward to seeing some particular DJs play.
 
Jonny68 said:
I see Robder you mentioned Miss Kittin, i have it on good authority that she is an out and out arrogant selfish bitch who thinks she is something she is not, everything i hate about DJ's (and people in general)
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I'm going to see that arrogant selfish bitch play with Ellen Alien tom'w- I'll send your regards
 
I agree on the emphasis with big name DJs, and not on the quality of music that might be dished out. I do not think that it is only restricted to Ibiza.

Personally, I think that the venue matters a lot. For example, in San Diego, I have seen DJs like Derrick Carter, Miguel Migs, Doc Martin, etc., play at glitzy places in San Diego and they sucked. I have also seen them play at places where people go there just for the music; where there are no VIP areas, no special bottle service, etc. and they were phenomenal.

There are a decent amount of venues that I would never, ever go to in San Diego (even if I really am interested in the DJ) because they are all about (as one of my close friends would say) "shiny shirts and stripper hoes". But, then there are folks who would never go to the places that I would go to because it is not their kind of crowd. To each his own.

Rip me a new orifice, but I think that for someone who wants to educate oneself on house music, Ibiza is great if one is on the low to low-mid spectrum of the education front on house music, but once the taste buds develop, I would think that there is a better variety in other major cities.

When I go out, I want to be amazed by the DJ from several perspectives; one of which is that I want to hear tracks that I have never heard of. If I am hearing the same Defected/Subliminal stuff again and again, it does not cut the mustard for me.
 
the most important thing about a night out is the people you are with. period. some of my best laughs have been in grotty little holes...........being in a beautiful club/bar with idiots is not enjoyable at all.

with regard to the DJs i've seen it both ways.

once at space, DT was meant to be but never showed..........the crowd were rocking to Java most of whom under the impression DT was playing (the DJ booth being at the side of the room didn't help.

on the other hand there have been times when i've thought i was hearing a bigger name but been a bit underwhelmed by their set, to later find out they never showed or left after 2 hours of a 6 hour set.

put it this way, if a DJ played 20 records in the same order as Sasha, without knowing it was the man like.....his set with the edge.

hourses for courses tho, i like unknown/upcoming DJs as much as heavyweights. if the music is quality then i like it, no matter who is playing it
 
Jonny68 said:
I see Robder you mentioned Miss Kittin, i have it on good authority that she is an out and out arrogant selfish bitch who thinks she is something she is not, everything i hate about DJ's (and people in general)
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Yes, agreed. I've seen her in action...but she's still fantastic. :lol:
 
I love when a big name dj gets on the tables because the crowd's energy level seems to rise, making even a crappy set fun. I feel like sometimes people don't get excited for a lesser name because they are not "supposed to", even when they are playing an amazing set. My favorite is a big name, playing a set that legends are made of (Tom Novy at the opening of Space last year comes to mind).
 
do you think pacha pays too much money for big-name djs :?:

ricardo urgell:
well, the one who pays always thinks that everything is expensive.
but the dynamics today seem to be about going to see the dj,
something i cannot really understand,
because when i was young i would go to see the girls, not the djs. :twisted:

then there was the addition of music, sure.
... i have the impression that today everything is programmed.
... on the one hand , it seems the world is improving, but on the other hand, i see it is losing its flavour...


do you feel more people come to pacha
for pacha or for the big-name djs :?:

ricardo urgell:
pacha is the most important club brand in the world, by far.
people come to pacha because it is pacha,
but logically also because of the djs.
the whole is the success for pacha.
 
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