32 Dead In Gun Rampage
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ijustcantwait
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terrible, doesnt say much for the us gun laws does it....
Morbyd
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I'm from the grand state of Virginia (just outside Washington), I've had friends that attended Virginia Tech University, and I've visited the campus.
There's a saying that guns don't kill people, people kill people. I'm pretty convinced it's true when I look at the experience of Canada, where there's 2 guns per person.
Gun laws might help. But there are societal problems at play here. When a guy has problems with his girlfriend and thinks it's ok to go kill 32 people, there's obviously certain lessons about the value of life that he's not getting taught.
Sad to read about this turn of events.... when I saw this story a few hours ago, the toll was one dead, one injured (not that that's any better...)
There's a saying that guns don't kill people, people kill people. I'm pretty convinced it's true when I look at the experience of Canada, where there's 2 guns per person.
Gun laws might help. But there are societal problems at play here. When a guy has problems with his girlfriend and thinks it's ok to go kill 32 people, there's obviously certain lessons about the value of life that he's not getting taught.
Sad to read about this turn of events.... when I saw this story a few hours ago, the toll was one dead, one injured (not that that's any better...)
I agree this is horrible..
Just curious to know where you hear the Canada thing from, because honestly I have never met anyone who owns a gun, so i don't know where that Canada statistic comes from.
I have a Swiss friend who says they all have guns in their homes, but for different reasons.
This bull*hit that guns don't kill people, people kill people makes no sense whatsoever.
If firearms were illegal and were not as easy to get as they are in the USA these type of terrible tragedies would not happen, gun crime in Dublin can be bad enough at times, im only glad firearms here are illegal i shudder to think what it may be like if they were legal.
It's quite simple, if these type of tragedies are to be prevented firearms need to be outlawed in the USA, otherwise we are likely to see similar type of events again in the future.
RIP to all those who lose their lives.
If firearms were illegal and were not as easy to get as they are in the USA these type of terrible tragedies would not happen, gun crime in Dublin can be bad enough at times, im only glad firearms here are illegal i shudder to think what it may be like if they were legal.
It's quite simple, if these type of tragedies are to be prevented firearms need to be outlawed in the USA, otherwise we are likely to see similar type of events again in the future.
RIP to all those who lose their lives.
No, I meant the description of Virginia Tech could have been any major school in the US, and it was scary to think it could have easily happened at my school.Did you attend Columbine then?
About Columbine- It creeps me out that both of my senior years (high school and college) had something like this happen around mid April. I knew a few people who were directly affected by the Columbine shooting, hopefuly that is not the case for this one.
What awefull tragedies.
It's quite simple, if these type of tragedies are to be prevented firearms need to be outlawed in the USA, otherwise we are likely to see similar type of events again in the future.
RIP to all those who lose their lives.
I tend to agree. Right now many U.S. media outlets are using this event, just as they did with Columbine (without even giving it a chance to just be horrible and feel badly for the victims), as a platform for gun control. Some have been saying that if the gun control laws in Virginia were more lenient then one of those students could have been armed and could have killed the shooter. I disagree. I think that there is something fundamentally wrong with what we are doing over here. I am an American. I love my country. But it isn't a coincidence that the U.S. is the one place that has all of these shootings take place. It is something about how we teach value for only oneself...just think about yourself...protect your rights, screw everyone else. I am not purposely making blanket generalizations but I have to in a forum such as this 8) .
I feel terribly about what happened 8 years ago in Colorado with the Columbine shootings and I feel that there was much scapegoating that took place then. I do not believe that is going to change in the aftermath of the massacre at Virginia Tech. And it does seem, as Tyson noted, that these events happen in cycles...I do wonder if it will be revealed that the shooter had Columbine in mind seeing as the anniversary is a mere four days away...Who the hell knows? He was crazy...and I am tired of people who whine about being a loner, or video games to cover up the responsibility the individual should take.
I had to turn off the TV...watching the coverage just gets too depressing.
i hate guns with a passion but even in britain there is a gun problem and guns are illegal so i'm generally moving towards the "guns don't kill people, people do" stance.
remember dunblaine.
i think one of the main problems around gun use in the states is our dear friend the 2A which is vociferously defending/cherished by many people.
i've said this before morbs but nowadays it is total folly to so passionately support a bill that was created in the context that that one was.
that columbine documentary is the scariest thing i've ever seen.........bar nothing.
remember dunblaine.
i think one of the main problems around gun use in the states is our dear friend the 2A which is vociferously defending/cherished by many people.
i've said this before morbs but nowadays it is total folly to so passionately support a bill that was created in the context that that one was.
that columbine documentary is the scariest thing i've ever seen.........bar nothing.
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Moha
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http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/social...l?siteSect=201&sid=7714027&cKey=1176632503000
This is to set the record straight; 300 people are killed every year in Switzerland by military guns kept at home.
Estimates are 2 millions guns for a population of 7 millions; not everybody keeps a gun at home.
Sorry, but I really disagree with this.
For this guy to shoot the amount of people he did, it must have been some kind of automatic weapon.
Why are the public having access to these kind of firearms?
There are times when you are going to find people in severe mental states where they are so twisted that something like this seems a reasonable thing to do.
Having a gun tolerent society where someone in this state of total breakdown can have access to funking machine gun or whatever it was really should shoulder some of the blame for this tragedy.
As recent debates on this forum indicate, some aspects of the North American sense of values are so far from being comprehendable it's scarey( re. Those idiots on TV 'God Hates America' ...I wonder what those bunch of twisted morons have to say about this?)
So, how many more people are going to have to die, and when is it going to be when some other deluded nutter thinks 'Only 33...man I can do better than that' ?
I read an article in a magazine a while back where a reporter tested how easy would be to buy a gun in various states of apparent mental distress. One was with him in a blood stained shirt and another was through the help of a glove puppet. He had no problem on both accounts.
on this issue, one of the democrats best pieces of legislation was the regulation of semi-automatic weapons.....................under bush this legislation has lapsed and not been renewed.
:x :x
Morbyd
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I-Spy - according to the news reports, he had 2 pistols. Probably semi-automatic pistols, as opposed to revolvers, but definitely not an AK-47 or the like.
Grego - well said. And I generally agree about the 2nd Amendment.
Russ - As I'm sure you agree, dumbest argument ever!!
Utaguara - I heard that statistic in Bowling for Columbine. Not the most objective source, I suppose
But even if it is half true, Canada is a good example of the "guns don't kill, people do" principle. As is the Swiss example even with Moha's corrected statistics.
I don't state this case to argue against gun control, which I mostly support, but just to say that there are deeper societal problems in the US when a guy snaps and believes that killing a classroom full of people is a viable course of action. Even if you take the (legal) guns away, this problem remains and I think it might be a more urgent point to address.
Grego - well said. And I generally agree about the 2nd Amendment.
Russ - As I'm sure you agree, dumbest argument ever!!
Utaguara - I heard that statistic in Bowling for Columbine. Not the most objective source, I suppose
But even if it is half true, Canada is a good example of the "guns don't kill, people do" principle. As is the Swiss example even with Moha's corrected statistics.
I don't state this case to argue against gun control, which I mostly support, but just to say that there are deeper societal problems in the US when a guy snaps and believes that killing a classroom full of people is a viable course of action. Even if you take the (legal) guns away, this problem remains and I think it might be a more urgent point to address.
so if it wasn't guns, something else would be used to cause similar harm.
Morbyd
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Well, look at the rise of knife violence in the UK (at least, the papers portray this as a problem).
for the record, i was agreeing with you.