Ignorance breeds prejudice and dohnuts

coley

coley

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Just got back from a quick day at work. Touch8)

I done my usual thing of handing in the money I collected to accounts when 2 of the women there were waffling about a programme they had seen about kids having kids etc.

I piped up about my dislike of a state that seems to encourage this kind of stuff by handing out council property to people like these.:twisted: I was then shot down in a wave of dribbly bromide prejudice remarks that went along the lines of " What about the pakis, they get free houses, and that africans should eff off back home if they dont like it here."8O8O8O

WTF....Did I just travel back 50yrs for 2 minutes or what.8O Now lets 'ave it right. We know that this country has been responsible for ostracising some folk in history by creating divides and unrest. They then flood here for a better life after there homeland has been mullered. Yes we know this system is open to abuse by some people lying about persicution but thats a debate on its own.

If you want to find out about people,their culture,their history and there reasons for doing what they do, ask them what its all about and educate yourself FFS:twisted:.

I was speaking to an african security guard the other week who isnt allowed to rest more than an hour in a 12 hour shift. He says he feels like "ok the ball and chain is off but you will still be our slave". Thats how some of these people feel.

I could go on but the upshot for me is. If Africans should "go home" as this narrow minded buffoon bird says then that means my mate who runs for Ghana and done himself proud must go along with several of my other mates and my dad who is
Irish. Maybe even me as I am a "plastic paddy":roll:

When I started quoting historic facts, her articulate reply was "your talking bullsxxt":roll:

I guess as long as her Kevin Keegan-esque 80's perm is holding up and her hubby lets her watch "X Factor" this weekend then all is fine and dandy on planet retard. Thats of course if anyone that isnt 100% british ups sticks and leaves.

'kin divvy Bird:roll:
 
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It's sad, really, but I think xenophobia is an increasing problem everywhere around the world. Certainly is back home in the US.

It's becoming a huge huge problem in Russia right now (to wit: last week, the police began widespread harrassment of businesses owned by Georgians, even those who are Russian citizens. Today, some homeless man shot a Ghanian in the face with an air pistol!). It's mainly focussed at people from the Caucusus and Central Asia, but others get caught up as well.

Strange thing: people in Europe and the US want basic municipal services. They don't want to do the jobs themselves. But they don't want too many immigrants around to do these jobs either. It's a real issue in agriculture as well in the US.
 
I was going to start a thread about this the other day...

Does anyone else feel the blatant race discrimination in club toilets?

Why on earth do they always give toilet attendant jobs to Africans who squirt soap on your hands and hand you paper towels for tips?

I feel like I have to apologise every time I go for a pi$$ ffs!
 
it's just about willingness for someone to do a job.

Toilet attendants can get quite a lot though - some places they actually pay to work a shift there - like renting I suppose.

They even have them in the ****tiest oxford clubs now too, it's got out of control 8O
 
Robder said:
Does anyone else feel the blatant race discrimination in club toilets?

Why on earth do they always give toilet attendant jobs to Africans who squirt soap on your hands and hand you paper towels for tips?
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It is a bit odd, isn't it? Makes you wonder if a white new hire at the club jumps right into the trainee bartender job or whatever, while the Africans get sent straight to the toilet...
 
Toilet duty: don't feel too sorry for that guy in the toilets I know of many groups who run the toilets for many clubs and it's a great earner. I bet there's no PAYE or NI changing hands.

A lot are run by enterprising Africans. Not the Club / bar owners. I see the same guy working in several different clubs doing the same job. These guys often deserve credit for their ability to make money not our pity.

Sorry but i won't pay a quid everytime I go to the toilet for someone to turn the taps on in a nasty little city centre bar.
 
I think the belief that no-one wants to do these menial jobs is just not factual. There are thousands of people desperate for work who would literally do anything to get themselves out of the ditch. Why are we so quick to insult our working classes? The majority is not lazy nor incapable of dirty work. Unfortunately we hear more about those who scrounge and idle than those who worry themselves sick trying to make it.

I would consider myself to be working class, despite having a degree and owning a shop (to be). Yesterday I was not too proud to accept a bit of money for washing an old lady's clothes twice a week. When you need the money you will take whatever work you can get.

The main problem, from my point of view, with immigrants taking up the massive proportion of low paid jobs is that the working class of Britian suffers. They don't have the money to set up in buisness and generally don't have the qualifications to land a good job. They end up having to retrain and try to get into white collar work. However, their efforts are often futile as there is already a massive shortfall of jobs for people in white collar work.

How can the working class of Britain compete for the jobs which used to be theirs when immigrants can and do accept the job at less than the minimum wage? The immigrants often have very low outgoings due to living communially.

It's the working class families of Britain which suffer. The middle classes are the ones who are grateful for the Romanian nanny, the Lithuanian cleaner and the Somalian gardener. It saves them money.

Much of the money earnt is taken out of the country which is not good for the economy. I think it will take a while longer to reallly see the full cost of cheap labour from abroad.

I'm sorry Coley but this issue can't be looked at on such an individual basis. It has to be viewed in terms of its impact on Britain as a whole.
 
Robder said:
Does anyone else feel the blatant race discrimination in club toilets?

Why on earth do they always give toilet attendant jobs to Africans who squirt soap on your hands and hand you paper towels for tips?
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In spain most clubs have not people in the toilets, so at the end of the night they are a poem :?

In La Paloma tho, there's a lady there who I think was there before the club itself. She isn't very nice with clubbers cos nobody left her a tip, while she is extremly sweet with the old ladies who attend the saturday dance-hall sesions

In Fuse (RIP) the guy in the toilets was an argentinian and we still don't know if he was a worker or a performace, he was a right laugh





And yes, the xenophobia and ultra-right are getting worst every day in europe. Really worrying
 
I was referring to a remark made by someone I work with and quoting an opinion/paradigm of someone who views their situation that way.

My brother in law's father is a plasterer but now stuggles to find the work he once could due to undercutting by the influx of people from abroad.

I was coming from the angle of an individual making predudice remarks on a situation regarding housing. From the individual thing. I like to ask questions to educate myself on people and then throw what they say back into the arena before passing judgement on someone. I'd Rather do that than swallow the popular opinion of those in my vacinity.

Ive heard the same stuff from people like that woman I work with a thousand times and then some.
 
I also watched that program last night about teenage parents. Most of the girls, although young and quite naive, were willing to look after their babies and become responsible adults.

But that one 14yr old... Charlotte I think her name was. WTF did she choose to have a baby for?! The poor mite was totally neglected, she wouldn't hold her, wash her, change her, nothing! Charlotte was a very immature 14 year old herself, how the hell did she get into that predicament where she is not only a child herself, but also a mother.

It makes me sad because her own baby will never have a proper upbringing by its own mother, not the best start in life when your own mother rejects you is it?

Something has to be said for Charlotte's own parents - what the hell was their 13yr old daughter doing sleeping with boys, and when she got pregnant, who thought it would be a good idea for her to keep it?!

Shocking.

Oh - and on the problem of immigrants / spongers / different races in different jobs etc.

You get good and bad in all races. I hate spongers full stop, be they white, black, brown, yellow, purple, green, blue (tm Danny T ;)). I can't stand anyone who is fit and healthy yet does not want to work and pay taxes like the rest of us!
I find it very infuritating when people come to England from other countries soleyl to milk our benefits system. That makes my blood boil.
But I have no problem with anyone coming over, working, earning a living and contributing to our economy.
 
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Beckiboo said:
I also watched that program last night about teenage parents. Most of the girls, although young and quite naive, were willing to look after their babies and become responsible adults.

But that one 14yr old... Charlotte I think her name was. WTF did she choose to have a baby for?! The poor mite was totally neglected, she wouldn't hold her, wash her, change her, nothing! Charlotte was a very immature 14 year old herself, how the hell did she get into that predicament where she is not only a child herself, but also a mother.

It makes me sad because her own baby will never have a proper upbringing by its own mother, not the best start in life when your own mother rejects you is it?

Something has to be said for Charlotte's own parents - what the hell was their 13yr old daughter doing sleeping with boys, and when she got pregnant, who thought it would be a good idea for her to keep it?!

Shocking.
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The Charlotte girl was in care when she got pregnant, living in a children's home I think. Poor kid. And poor baby. :?
 
Holly G said:
The Charlotte girl was in care when she got pregnant, living in a children's home I think. Poor kid. And poor baby. :?
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Oh I didnt see the start... so she was pretty messed up before she got pregnant? But her parents seemed quite normal and secure :?

She was just no way mentally ready to become a mother. Very sad.
 
Beckiboo said:
I also watched that program last night about teenage parents. Most of the girls, although young and quite naive, were willing to look after their babies and become responsible adults.

But that one 14yr old... Charlotte I think her name was. WTF did she choose to have a baby for?! The poor mite was totally neglected, she wouldn't hold her, wash her, change her, nothing! Charlotte was a very immature 14 year old herself, how the hell did she get into that predicament where she is not only a child herself, but also a mother.

It makes me sad because her own baby will never have a proper upbringing by its own mother, not the best start in life when your own mother rejects you is it?

Something has to be said for Charlotte's own parents - what the hell was their 13yr old daughter doing sleeping with boys, and when she got pregnant, who thought it would be a good idea for her to keep it?!

Shocking.

Oh - and on the problem of immigrants / spongers / different races in different jobs etc.

You get good and bad in all races. I hate spongers full stop, be they white, black, brown, yellow, purple, green, blue (tm Danny T ;)). I can't stand anyone who is fit and healthy yet does not want to work and pay taxes like the rest of us!
I find it very infuritating when people come to England from other countries soleyl to milk our benefits system. That makes my blood boil.
But I have no problem with anyone coming over, working, earning a living and contributing to our economy.
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It made you feel for the baby didnt it, like what life will she have and what will she be like when she grows up?
I missed the beginning too, and it was sad to watch, but the fact she was embarassed to talk to her baby and would prefer to text rather then bond with her baby that was sad to watch.
 
What's wrong with young mum's having their own place?

What do we want to happen? Chuck em on the street?

Coley, I agree with you regarding the racist comments from your colleagues being out of order.

However, i think we need to understand that prejudice comes in many forms and class / social prejudice is one of them, not as obvious as racism perhaps, but just as narrow minded.

Perhaps your colleagues have been young single mums or their daughters may be? Not that is excuses their comments. But it would explain their apparent defensivness to your comments.

Young mothers need society's help whether you like it or not. Not consigning to the scapheap of life under a cloud of shame.
 
There is a difference with being a young mother and wanting the best for your life and also your child's. But unfortunately it becomes all too common to see young teens of today popping out children like there's no tomorrow, solely to get a council flat. Plus most of them have no inclination to work either and are quite happy to sit at home with babies Mercedes and LaToya and milk of us taxpayers!

There's nothing wrong with being a young parent as long as you're a responsible one!
 
Problems like these exist anywhere...

One attitude that also exists everywhere however, that sickens me, is the , "If I can work hard and get a job, then everyone else has to as well" or" I had to work hard from the bottom up so why can't everyone else?"
 
I totally agree Becki.

There should be more pressure upon young mums to develop themsleves through further education or employment.

But regardless of the mother's motivation in life we still need to ensure the children of these young mothers are given every support and opportunity and a decent enviroment to be raised in. Othrwise the problem is compounded.

I suppose it frustrates me that certain areas of society are considered more worthy of compassion than others. Young white girls seem to be at the bottom of everyone's list.
 
utagaura said:
Problems like these exist anywhere...

One attitude that also exists everywhere however, that sickens me, is the , "If I can work hard and get a job, then everyone else has to as well" or" I had to work hard from the bottom up so why can't everyone else?"
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i kind of belive in that but would chage it to: -

if you dont work then fine, but do not expect anything apart from the minimal to survive and do not moan when you can not go away on holiday or watch tv becuase you dont have a tv licence:)
 
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